Ukraine MEGATHREAD

[Tankanator]

Good Mornnnning Kiev!

[Charlotte]

Good Mornnnning Kiev!

[JoeySteel]

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Tuesday that Russia's victory in the Ukraine war would mean "NATO's defeat." Although Ukraine is strongly supported by NATO in its conflict with Russia, it is still not a part of the alliance.

https://www.teletrader.com/stoltenberg- ... 5498030280

Nato has the writing on the wall.

[Damocles]

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[Tankanator]

Daily reminder that liberals are despicable, dangerous pieces of shit

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[RepublicOfEngland]

Arestovich was out celebrating every missile strike... because "now the Russians have one less missile to use".

[JoeySteel]

Places like the American Conservative have become a fascinating outlet of dissent. Emphasis mine

• ShitLib Russian politicians spread disinformation

• It is mostly liberal men fleeing the draft. This reserve army of international imperialism (ie. Russian liberals) will strengthen Russia by moving McDonalds/IdPol/US-loving cosmopolitan scum out of Russia

• Nato is being de-militarised as they cannot keep up with weapons productions with Russia

Vladimir Putin’s decision to mobilize reserves for the war in Ukraine has stirred feelings around the world. The former politician and Russian opposition leader Gennady Gudkov posted an aerial view of a 15-lane desert highway with a traffic jam pushing into the horizon. “I am being told,” Gudkov wrote, “this is the [Russian] border with Mongolia on September 22. Be sure to zoom in to examine the picture.” Multiple large vehicles, perhaps buses, were mingled among sedans, suggesting that we are witnessing some sort of mass evacuation of Russians unwilling to serve in Ukraine.

A day earlier I saw the same picture passed on by a Russian blue-check account (I forgot which) claiming that it was the Russia-Kazakhstan border. But, as any resident of the Western United States knows, the photograph, which as of this writing is still available for viewing on Twitter, is of neither. It’s the road to the Burning Man festival in the Nevada desert, and the large vehicles are the RVs in which revelers intend to stay at the event.

I can’t say that the incident turned me against Gudkov, or anyone else in liberal Russian opposition. I find many of them well-informed and relatable. It is just that it is an emotional time in Eastern Europe, and pretty much every opposition figure is overcome by feelings, which is why I find their media mostly useless when it comes to this particular conflict. For reasons far less obvious, the Western media is equally emotionally invested in the conflict, and extraordinarily clueless on top of it.

I get the impression that the news stories are written by the same types who spent decades telling me, a Jew from Soviet Ukraine, that I am a Russian. Now that they have found Ukraine on the map, they are equally confident in the feel-good narrative they are concocting. The narrative, as skewered by the satire outlet the Pacific is, “Ukraine just one aid package away from victory.” Underpinning it is the drama of the demoralized Russia and resilient Ukraine. “Russians Are Terrified and Have Nowhere to Turn,” confidently declares the New York Times in the wake of the mobilization announcement. That follows another Gray Lady headline, “Protests in Russia against Putin’s Mobilization Policy Continue.”

No doubt, some are running away. An estimated 261,000 fled the country so far, and perhaps more will follow. The fact of draft dodging is not in dispute. But it is not clear that the types heading for the border are of much interest to the recruiters. More likely, they are educated, liberal men, sometimes with families, and with no military experience.

What should be in dispute is the coverage. Ann Applebaum is an American-Polish journalist and the wife of the former Polish minister of foreign affairs and current Member of European Parliament Radoslaw Sikorski—last seen thanking the U.S. for blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines carrying Russian gas to Europe. Applebaum commented about the difference between the Russian and the Ukrainian conscriptions:

Refugees from Ukraine in February and March were almost entirely women and children; the men stayed to fight. The new refugees from Russia this week are almost entirely men - because they don't want to fight.

This is the picture we are getting from the media. But consider that the refugees coming out of Ukraine were almost entirely women and children because men weren’t allowed to leave the country openly (though some clever ones had foreign passports and disability papers ready for just this occasion). The images coming out of the country in the early days of war reassured the Western news consumers that Ukraine is not going to be a Syria, that the Ukrainian men are ready to fight.

Yet the men wishing to leave Ukraine typically had to be smuggled, in which case their “refugee” pictures didn’t grace the front page of Western newspapers. If caught, they ended up in the back pages of Ukrainian media. Here is a sample: a border patrol inspector in Odessa charged $2,500 to transport men abroad; a resident of the western Ukrainian Zakarpatia region illegally moved residents of the Kharkov region across the border; in Odessa, recruiters charged $7,000 to create fake medical excuse papers that allowed fifty conscripts to exit the country.

Not surprisingly, corruption exists in the Ukrainian armed forces; it’s just that Western audiences are rarely reminded of it. I could easily engineer coverage of the Ukrainian mobilization that would look exactly like the narrative of Russian mobilization in our media. In fact, the Russian channels successfully did just that. They amplified, for instance, the footage allegedly showing women from the city of Hust in the Zakarpatia region rioting in front of the military recruitment office.

Typing “Ukrainian soldiers refuse to fight” in both Google and Duck Duck Go brings up a list of articles on Russian defectors. But Russian sources have been circulating videos of enemy forces, allegedly from the frontlines, recording messages for Zelensky refusing to continue fighting and demanding to be rotated out of the battlefield. I have no way of authenticating these videos, and I remember how, in 2014, footage of what appeared to be the same corpulent, middle-aged blond men weeping and asking Putin to intervene was recorded in several different regions in southeast Ukraine. Are the videos of Ukrainian soldiers fake? No idea, but there are a lot of them out there.

Just like there are a lot of videos of Ukrainians running away (and sometimes swimming away) from the recruiters. Interestingly enough, the New York Times once ran an article confirming these stories. It didn’t get as much attention as the ones about grandmas knocking out Russian drones with jars of pickles, but it’s worth a read. If that report is to be believed, the Ukrainian fighting spirit is not as previously reported. Ukrainians complain about being casually approached by government officials in public places and handed draft documents.

Living under martial law with a tightly censored media, Ukrainians nevertheless created apps to map real-time location of recruiters to help each other avoid conscription. In Kharkov, the country’s second largest city and a chief target of Russian shelling, the app has 67,000 subscribers. A similar app exists in Lviv, the hotbed of Ukrainian Nazism and the temporary home of the refugees from the East.

Many men opted to join the Territorial Defense Forces on the promise that these units would not be sent to the front lines (they were). Some even flat-out tell officers that they won’t fight for Ukraine because it’s not a real country. In September, Ukraine banned male students from leaving the country for study abroad because too many falsified college admission documents. On the news of Russia’s mobilization, Ukrainian presidential advisor and a frequent guest of Russian opposition news channels Alexey Arestovich stated that college students who are currently exempt from conscription might need to be mobilized. The social media reaction was overwhelmingly negative.

In any war, a number of men will dodge the draft. I can’t estimate the scope of the problem in either Russia or Ukraine, but if Ukraine has 5.5 million military age men, its neighbor can probably come up with a more massive fighting force. Russia’s stated goal is to mobilize 300,000 reservists with prior military experience. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu counts 25 million reservists in total. Maybe some of them will head for the border or go underground, but for the war effort to be sabotaged, an overwhelming majority of them would have to do so.

Some darkly sarcastic Americans say that the U.S. is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. At some point we might just run out of Ukrainians willing to fight. We might also run out of ammo. Since the very beginning of the war, it’s been forecasted that Russia is about to run out of weapons. Maybe they are. But it’s now being revealed that NATO has depleted its supplies of the kind of weaponry we’ve been sending to Ukraine. Our current appropriations are expected to be delivered to the region three years from now.

It does not sound like Putin’s regime is one Ukraine aid package away from crumbling. On the other hand, with Ukraine angling to get NATO involved, it might just fall on the United States to settle this Eastern European border dispute. If that is something we still hope to avoid, then we need to be skeptical of both sides’ narratives and honest with ourselves.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... n-ukraine/

[RedAlert]

It goes to show how traitorous (Russian) liberal politicians are that they present pictures of Nevada as 'Russians fleeing Russia and the draft'

Liberalism is what brought child prostitution, the "russian cross" and complete humiliation of Russia in the 1990s

Yet these filth and scum cling to it like the second coming of Christ

[Charlotte]

Bentley is pretty scathing about how the SMO has been conducted.

In some parts I agree with him and in other parts the Kremlin has been severely constrained from day 1 in the SMO. If Russian army had done to Ukraine what NATO did to Yugoslavia/Iraq and just decapitated the government alongside 78 day round the clock indiscriminate shelling with no regard to civilian life world (and in part, Russian) opinion would've been set against them.

If they'd done that it's very unlikely India and China drifted toward practical outright support for the SMO.
Would the Saudis sided with Russia and fucked the Biden regime by decreasing oil output by 2 million barrels? The Russians had only asked for a reduction of 1 million barrels. The de-militarisation of Nato also means at the end of this Russia can sit down for peace talks with Nato and probably roll back Nato to it's 1996 configuration.

On the other hand if the Russians had gone balls to the wall from the beginning the Kiev government would've been decapitated and unable to propagate the kind of atrocity propaganda that Western media loved to repeat without the slightest investigation (or basic google) to whether it was bullshit.

But I understand Texas's frustration as he's on frontline in Donbass

To speak the truth, the Kremlin’s conduct of war is juvenile. A 10-year old kid could do a better job. Was the Kremlin even thinking when it thought it could conduct a war while leaving the opposing government perfectly secure in its conduct of the war? Russia has refused, to shut down the government in Kiev, thus allowing its enemy to conduct, unopposed, war against Russia. This has to be the first time in human history that a government at war has been permitted to operate as if it were not at war. There is no Russian attempt to destroy Zelensky, to shut down Kiev, to disrupt the communication and infrastructure of Ukraine.

Any country that conducts war in such a self-defeating way convinces its opponents that it has no intention of winning the war.

This perceived lack of Russian resolution enbolders the West to push Russia harder and to violate more Russian red lines. Violating Russian red lines means nothing to the West as Russia never does anything about violations of its red lines. Russian protests are nothing but meaningless Russian bluster, says the West.

Unless the Kremlin intends to lay down its arms and surrender to Ukraine and the West, the extraordinary weakness and irresolution that the Kremlin has shown in its “limited military operation” will encourage more aggression from the West and lead directly to the 3rd World War. Zelensky is already calling for preventative nuclear strikes against Russia. https://sputniknews.com/20221006/peskov ... 82414.html


Apparently, never in Putin’s entire life did he ever learn to put his foot down. Putin seems to think it can be done with mere words, but it cannot. Putin’s hesitancy and toleration of provocations has undermined his credibility.

As the West has no fear of its opponent, Putin’s Goody Two Shoes behavior is bringing us Armageddon. The longer the war goes on, the more involved the West becomes, the greater the stake powerful interest groups, such as the US military/security complex, have in the war, and the less prospect for de-escalation.

By constantly showing irresolution, acceptance of extreme provocations, and shamelessly begging for negotiations, the Kremlin has convinced Washington that Russia is incapable of fighting. From Washington’s viewpoint, Russia is nothing to be feared, only something to be moved out of way.

It is extraordinary that the government of what is probably the most powerful military force in the world has convinced Washington that Russia is military impotent.

This is Putin’s achievement from trying to save the Donbass Russians without having to fight a real war.

Andrei Martyanov, the Saker, and Dmitry Orlov have seriously misled their pro-Russian audience. Martyanov and Saker stressed the superiority of Russian firepower and tactical operations, which was correct, but they ignored the built-in strategic failure of the Russian “limited operation.” Moreover, the Russian tactical advantage was reduced when the limited forces Putin had been willing to commit became too thin to protect the boundaries of the conquest, and modern weapons from the West and targeting information substantially reduced Russian firepower advantage.

Putin, having foolishly let the war go on month after month, a war that he should have completed in one week, gave the US and UK time to train a larger Ukrainian army and equip it with modern weapons. It should have been obvious to the Kremlin from day one that this was in the cards. Any time a war is drawn out the advantage passes to the side that is not constrained by self-imposted constraints. It is impossible to imagine Napoleon or the Wehrmacht fighting in such a constrained way as Russia is required to fight in Ukraine. If Stalin had fought in the way Putin is today, there would be no Russia.

[Tankanator]

But it’s now being revealed that NATO has depleted its supplies of the kind of weaponry we’ve been sending to Ukraine. Our current appropriations are expected to be delivered to the region three years from now.

I'm telling you.. Russia should march to London when Kiev capitulates and Ukraine disappears

[RedAlert]

France comes out against Nato in protest


It is so very shameful that US imperialism is able to manipulate it's satraps against their own interests.

It is absolutely wild that US neocons straight up attacked the energy infrastructure of Europe and not only did Europeans do nothing they meekly said "yes, we know it was Russia"

VoltaireNet came out and said the US bombing of Nordstream 2 was a declaration of war against Russia, Germany, France and the Netherlands. With the unveiling of the Pipeline to Poland (only a day after bombing ns2) this means Germany will deindustrialise into poverty and demeaning service sector jobs with mothers signing onto OnlyFans or whatever degenerate app of the day to provide esaier and easier access to womens bodies by bourgeois...

But it means Poland will become the industrial centre of Europe. Olaf Scholz will go down as one of the greatest traitors in history and will likely be swinging from a tree when the German people finally understand what's been done to them by their comprador government in the name of US imperialism

At the same time, the Baltic Pipe pipeline was inaugurated with great fanfare, a few hours after the sabotage, by the Polish president, the Danish prime minister and the Norwegian energy minister. It does not have at all the same capacities as Nord Stream, but it will be enough to change the times. Once the European Union was dominated by German industry using Russian gas, now it will be dominated by Poland using Norwegian gas. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki triumphantly declared at the inauguration ceremony: "The era of Russian gas domination is coming to an end; an era that was marked by blackmail, threats and extortion. »

The act of war committed against Russia, Germany, the Netherlands and France forces us to rethink the events in Ukraine. It is much more important than what has gone before insofar as the United States has attacked its allies. I have explained at length in previous articles what the Straussians were looking for with their provocations in Ukraine. What has just happened shows us why Washington, as a state, supports the Straussian project, and that its "grand strategy" has not changed since the 1950s.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article218167.html

[TemperedSteel]

Middle aged Ukrainian woman from Gorlovka documents her experience on how the Kiev junta began opening fire on Gorlovka city one day

https://video.ploud.fr/videos/embed/626 ... 482772d7c5

[Tankanator]

[Charlotte]

British nazi mercenaries cooperting with the deep state to fight in Ukraine

[Tankanator]

A few readings for you, all of them from sources that can't be accused of being pro russian in any way, pointing to the Nazi problem in Ukraine. If you are not so well informed, this is a good start

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/eur ... ion-89292/

https://www.panorama.it/news/dal-mondo/ ... i-zelensky

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and- ... overnment/

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-milit ... 90844.html

[Tankanator]

"Zelensky awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine to UPA centurion Miroslav Simcic": Heroization of Nazi criminals continues

"UPA centenarian Miroslav Simcic is "famous" for having personally ordered the destruction of the settlement of Pisten, where Poles lived. Everyone was killed, including women, children, and the elderly. He also had another village to his credit - Trojice. There, the Simcich unit killed 78 people, most of them Poles, but there were also Ukrainians. The Banderites burned down all the houses, took all the things, and killed everyone, including small children. Under the Soviet Union Simcich served more than 30 years, but waited for Ukrainian "independence". Under Yushchenko he was awarded the Order of Merit, under Poroshenko the Order of Freedom. He is an honorary citizen of Lviv and Kolomyia, where a monument was erected for him during his lifetime.

[RepublicOfEngland]

[Tankanator]

Redditors are the stupidest fucks on this planet

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[Gemini]

Military equipment moving through Belarus
My guess is they're gonna do an all out offensive, particularly down to Kiev to force troop withdrawals in the East

Hope it is shock and awe. Im so sick of seeing that high heeled degenerate in Kiev chatting shit

[Tankanator]

While Ukraine’s energy and industrial infrastructure continue to suffer battle damage, Russia’s energy reserves are virtually unlimited, and its military-industrial capacity has also been mobilized. By this winter, they will be producing a constant stream of war materiel and ammunition, while Ukraine will be almost completely dependent on supplies from the West that may or may not arrive in time or in required quantities.

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The harsh reality, however, is that the Russian military and government are likewise learning lessons and becoming hardened to the realities of full-scale war. No one can therefore predict with any accuracy how this next phase of war will unfold, but it is very clear that the level of death and destruction is about to rise considerably, making the life of Ukrainian civilians even more horrific.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/10/a-w ... be-bloody/