The Coming Betrayal By China In Ukraine?

[RedC]

China has officially taken a "neutral" position regarding Russia's special military operation from the very beginning.

Here is a timeline of what we know so far:

25 February 2022: Xi calls for Russia to negotiate with the fascists in Kiev in a telephone call with Putin. ( https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinas- ... ne-2789342 )

17 March 2022: China's ambassador to Kiev, Fan Xianrong, says: “China and Ukraine are strategic partners, and this year marks the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between our countries. China is a friendly country for the Ukrainian people. As an ambassador, I can responsibly say that China will forever be a good force for Ukraine, both economically and politically. We will always respect your state, develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians because this is the sovereign right of every nation. China will never attack Ukraine, we will help, in particular in the economic direction. We have seen how great the unity of the Ukrainian people is, and that means its strength." ( https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1255127.shtml )

20 July 2022: China's ambassador to Washington, Qin Gang, says: “So what China is calling for is immediate ceasefire, resumption of peace talks. All parties involved should be engaged, including between Russia and US and its NATO allies.” ( https://swentr.site/russia/559352-china ... ceasefire/ )

24 February 2023: The Chinese foreign ministry announces its document "China's Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukrainian Crisis" containing 12 proposals including for a ceasefire and negotiations. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s ... ian_Crisis )

29 June 2023: Opening the World Economic Forum's “Summer Davos” meeting in Tianjin, China's premier Li Qiang declares: “China wishes to work with all of you to firmly support economic globalization, firmly uphold the market economy, firmly support free trade, and steer the world economy toward a more inclusive, resilient and sustainable future.” ( https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/ ... champions/ )

• Russia was expelled from the WEF due to the special military operation and WEF chairman Klaus Schwab declared his support for Kiev. ( https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/0 ... s-00015344 )

9 October 2023: China's ambassador to the UN, Geng Shuang, claims that Russia's attack on the village of Groza “caused heavy civilian casualties, which China finds concerning. Protection of civilians should be a paramount priority under all circumstances.” ( http://un.china-mission.gov.cn/eng/hyyf ... 158640.htm )

• However, according to Russia's ambassador to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, also on 9 October: “As it is known, at the time of the strike there was a funeral of a high-ranking Ukrainian nationalist. Of course, it was attended by many of his neo-Nazi accomplices. It is no coincidence that in the pictures published on social networks immediately after the strike, almost all the bodies belong to men of military age. We have seen such situations before. The Kiev regime wrung its hands over the dead as a result of strikes in hotels, hostels, cafes, shops, etc., and then a large number of obituaries of military and foreign mercenaries appeared. This is such a ‘coincidence’. We do not exclude that it will happen in Groza as well. We remind that if the Kiev regime concentrates servicemen in any place, it becomes a legitimate target for a strike, including from the point of view of international humanitarian law. But the stationing of heavy equipment and air defense systems in residential areas is the grossest violation of this law and leads to tragedies, which we have already mentioned today." ( https://tass.com/politics/1687421 )

24 May 2024: China announces a joint document on Ukraine with social democrat Lula's Brazil, calling for Russia to negotiate with the fascist puppets in Kiev. ( https://sputnikglobe.com/20240525/china ... 30484.html )

30 May 2024: In a letter to Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, the Nicaraguan foreign ministry declares: “The government of Nicaragua, committed to its policy and pursuit of peace worldwide, shares the position of the brotherly People's Republic of China on a political solution to the Ukrainian crisis and supports the consensus reached in the Joint Communiqué between China and Brazil on the issue.” ( https://sputnikglobe.com/20240531/nicar ... 13063.html )

• Nicaraguan president Daniel Ortega had previously called Zelensky a Nazi. ( https://swentr.site/news/580127-nicarag ... c-gaddafi/ )

So what are China's motivations here?

Is China preparing to use Ukraine as a bargaining chip with the US over Taipei?

Will China prioritise its long-time “peaceful coexistence” policy with US imperialism, and force Russia to compromise with NATO and the Kiev fascists?

[CombatLiberalism]

West is increasingly unhinged towards Russia

Either
A] the West is losing and will lose hence the bellicose statements
Or
B] Ukraine can continue this war for another decade

Ukraine State will be destroyed but in my opinion it will be done by BlackRock buying up the land whilst flooding Ukraine with immigrants whilst the war trickles on like Troubles in Ireland

[Mandrake]

Great post

You can bet there are machinations behind the scenes. Things are far from the rosey picture of the likes of Pepe Escobars "united Brics"

If China is planning some great betrayal of Russia and US imperialism gets a second shot in the arm (first being the collapse of Soviet Union...which China participated in) we are truly in the blackest reaction

[Gemini]

A lot of that is just basic diplomacy between countries.
China was always angling for appearance of "neutrality" so it could broker peace between the two countries. Whilst under the table supporting Russia.

It also comes at a time when Zelensky is crying

"China is a tool in Putin's hands. China is working to prevent other countries from coming to the peace summit."
Zelensky said, adding that he really wanted to meet with the top leadership of China, but was refused.

https://en.topwar.ru/243598-instrument- ... carii.html

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy accused Beijing of working with Moscow to undermine a summit to discuss his country’s peace blueprint, in a sign of growing frustration with China’s deepening ties with Russia.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ssia-s-war

All the while US is actively preparing for war against China and has seriously ramped up military drills with Phillipines last few days

"This isn't like the Cold War with one side lined up against the other and a clear line. America is training for a war they expect to take place." Alexander Mercouris

Even if they want to sell Russia out the US is already locked in for World War before the full extent of their covid crimes and jibby jabs comes out.

China will have to, as a national security matter, support Russia's ultimate aims in Ukraine.

[RedC]

China will have to, as a national security matter, support Russia's ultimate aims in Ukraine.

Mao Ning: China believes that all efforts that are conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis should be supported. We have attached great importance to Switzerland’s organizing the Summit on Peace in Ukraine from the very beginning and have been in close communication with Switzerland, Ukraine and other relevant parties on this. China has repeatedly stressed that the international peace conference needs to meet the three important elements, namely, recognition from both Russia and Ukraine, equal participation of all parties, and fair discussion of all peace plans. As far as China is concerned, the meeting does not yet seem to meet these three elements and that is exactly why China would not be able to take part in the meeting. Let me stress that China’s position on the peace conference is fair and just. Our position does not target any party and certainly not this particular summit. China’s decision on participation is purely based on our assessment of the meeting itself, and we believe relevant parties can understand our position.

Whether one supports peace or not should not be judged by a particular country or on the basis of a particular meeting. China sincerely hopes that a peace conference will not turn into a platform used to create bloc confrontation. Not attending it does not mean not supporting peace. For certain countries, even if they do participate, they do not necessarily whole-heartedly want the conflict to stop. What matters is what kind of action that is being taken. What has happened shows that China has been most firmly and actively committed to promoting talks for peace. China has never sat idly by or fueled the flames, still less profiteered from the conflict. Instead, we have worked relentlessly for a ceasefire, and this has been highly commended by various parties, including Russia and Ukraine.

https://www.mfa.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665 ... 75936.html

[Gemini]

China will have to, as a national security matter, support Russia's ultimate aims in Ukraine.

Mao Ning: China believes that all efforts that are conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis should be supported. We have attached great importance to Switzerland’s organizing the Summit on Peace in Ukraine from the very beginning and have been in close communication with Switzerland, Ukraine and other relevant parties on this. China has repeatedly stressed that the international peace conference needs to meet the three important elements, namely, recognition from both Russia and Ukraine, equal participation of all parties, and fair discussion of all peace plans. As far as China is concerned, the meeting does not yet seem to meet these three elements and that is exactly why China would not be able to take part in the meeting. Let me stress that China’s position on the peace conference is fair and just. Our position does not target any party and certainly not this particular summit. China’s decision on participation is purely based on our assessment of the meeting itself, and we believe relevant parties can understand our position.

Whether one supports peace or not should not be judged by a particular country or on the basis of a particular meeting. China sincerely hopes that a peace conference will not turn into a platform used to create bloc confrontation. Not attending it does not mean not supporting peace. For certain countries, even if they do participate, they do not necessarily whole-heartedly want the conflict to stop. What matters is what kind of action that is being taken. What has happened shows that China has been most firmly and actively committed to promoting talks for peace. China has never sat idly by or fueled the flames, still less profiteered from the conflict. Instead, we have worked relentlessly for a ceasefire, and this has been highly commended by various parties, including Russia and Ukraine.

https://www.mfa.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665 ... 75936.html

This is answer to a question by a CCTV reporter who accuses the PRC government that China not attenting the Swiss peace summit is standing side of China.

CCTV: The Chinese side said publicly last week that it will not attend the Summit on Peace in Ukraine organized by Switzerland. Does this mean China does not support Switzerland and Ukraine in holding this summit? Some believe that not attending the summit means not supporting peace and standing on the side of Russia in opposition to Ukraine. What is China’s comment on this?

So China government response is just diplomat speak "blah blah we are neutral and want peace in Ukraine".

[RedC]

So China government response is just diplomat speak "blah blah we are neutral and want peace in Ukraine".

By teaming up with the social democrat Lula who has condemned the special military operation...

China believes that the world now needs to make more objective, balanced, positive and constructive voices on the Ukraine crisis, Wang noted, adding that to this end, China and Brazil recently jointly issued the "Common Understandings Between China and Brazil on Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis."

In just one week, 45 countries from five continents have responded positively to the "six common understandings" in different ways, of which 26 countries have confirmed their accession or are seriously studying the way of accession. Russia and Ukraine also affirmed most of the contents of these six common understandings, Wang added.

This once again illustrates that these six common understandings meet the common expectations of the majority of countries. China believes that the more countries that support these six common understandings, the closer the day of a truly peaceful summit will be, and the brighter the prospects for peace will become, Wang said.

https://english.news.cn/20240604/347096 ... cc9/c.html

[AgentSonya]

I agree with Red C tbh
Chinese foreign policy has always been completely unprincipled.

[RedC]

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2024-08-03/C ... Epi/p.html

China, South Africa exchange views on Ukraine crisis

Politics 22:28, 03-Aug-2024

CGTN

Special Representative of the Chinese Government on Eurasian Affairs Li Hui on Friday visited South Africa, and exchanged views on the Ukraine crisis with South African officials.

Li is currently on a visit to Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia to carry out the fourth round of shuttle diplomacy on the crisis.

During the visit, Li met with Zane Dangor, director-general of the Department of International Relations and Cooperation of South Africa, and Adv Nokukhanya Jele, legal adviser to South African President Cyril Ramaphosa.

Noting that the international community believes it is imperative to cool down the Ukraine crisis, Li said the six common understandings issued by China and Brazil on a political settlement of the crisis has received positive responses from more than 110 countries.

China is ready to strengthen communication and coordination with South Africa, and promote building international consensus on this issue based on the six common understandings, he said.

Appreciating China for carrying out shuttle diplomacy on the Ukraine crisis, the South African side called on the Global South to enhance collaboration, and create conditions for de-escalating the situation and ultimately achieving peace.

The South African side also voiced their support for the six common understandings, and pledged to work with China and Brazil to jointly promote common understandings within the multilateral framework.

[TemperedSteel]

RedC it'd be good for you to provide an opinion alongside the latest news release.

As I understand it the Russians wanted a peace deal in April 2022 at Istanbul with Putin and Zelensky signing the document but Boris Johnson scuppering the deal.

[RedC]

RedC it'd be good for you to provide an opinion alongside the latest news release.

As I understand it the Russians wanted a peace deal in April 2022 at Istanbul with Putin and Zelensky signing the document but Boris Johnson scuppering the deal.

Russia no longer recognises the Zelensky regime but China does. China should be supporting the special military operation alongside the DPRK, not pushing for deals with fascists backed by NATO.

[Mandrake]

China still abides by Western sanctions and refused to arm Russia
China is a state that still honours Kissinger

"China is still angry with Russia," a former senior Chinese military officer told me last year. "Putin must have already decided on the large-scale invasion when he and Xi signed the document on their 'no limits' friendship.

"We had U.S. information about a possible Russian move, but Moscow never revealed its true intentions, even though we had asked many times."

The unhappiness is mutual. From spring 2022 to fall 2023 -- while Russia was engaged in intense battles with Ukraine -- Moscow repeatedly requested lethal weapons from China only to be refused due to Beijing's concerns about violating U.S. sanctions.

It appears that Putin's frustration and disappointment with China have prompted him to turn to North Korea. In September 2023, he invited Kim to Russia's Far East and reached an agreement with him regarding North Korean supplies of ammunition and missiles to Russia, thereby laying the groundwork for a closer strategic partnership.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Comme ... to-crumble

[RedC]

The Chinese Foreign Ministry is not condemning Ukraine's terrorist operation in Kursk Oblast, unlike Belarus and Syria so far, and is urging Russia not to respond: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2024-08-12/C ... fss/p.html

China calls for de-escalation as Ukrainian troops enter Russia's Kursk

China 11:57, 12-Aug-2024
CGTN

The Chinese Foreign Ministry on Monday called for de-escalation of Russia-Ukraine conflict after recent reports of Ukrainian troops entering Russia's border region of Kursk.

In a statement, the ministry said China will continue to maintain communication with the international community and play a constructive role in promoting the political settlement of the crisis.

It added that China calls on all parties to abide by the "three principles" of de-escalation – no expansion of the battlefield, no escalation of fighting and no fanning of the flames by any party.

[RedC]

From the Khrushchevite "Communist Party of Britain", 13 August 2024:

The CP Political Committee reiterated its support for China’s peace plan, backed by countries such as Brazil and South Africa, which calls for an immediate ceasefire and negotiations to agree a permanent settlement of Ukraine-Russia relations.

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/cp-po ... far-right/

[Charlotte]

I am reading David Rockefellers memoirs at the moment and came across this wonderful page.
-David Rockefeller, Memoirs

[JoeySteel]

Well done RedC. You spotted China's treacherous ways very early on

Based on comments that Russian officials including most specifically Medvedev, have been saying is that the Russians very unhappily and very grudgingly have been maneuvered or have been pushed towards some kind of talks with the Ukrainians at a very very um minimal level up to now which they see as a trap. The one in which the ukrainians essentially are trying to move the Russians towards some kind of acceptance of zelinsky's Peace formula so-called peace formula which is in effect a demand for Russia's capitulation. That it seemed to me was what Lavrov was saying and I went on to say that it was clear to me or at least I felt that the Russians felt they had been put under some pressure from some of their friends China India Brazil perhaps most pertinently to engage the ukrainians in negotiations um which the Russians felt was ultimately um a trap for them the ukrainians were really manipulating Russia's allies stringing or friends stringing them along in order to try to get negotiations started on a basis completely different from the one that the Russians themselves would have wanted to engage in.

Alexander Mercouris


What is interesting is that Lula has come out essentially as a Western puppet in South America also. It is not a wonder that this "ally" of Russia was pressuring them also when they refuse to even back Maduro in Venezuela. I remember at the time of Lula's release there was talk his release had been done by the CIA who wanted Bolsonaro out as he was trending toward the nationalist bourgeoisie and starting to stand more firmly for independence in Brazil

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has been the target of several recent controversies across the South American geopolitical scene. Contrary to the expectations of some naive leftists, Lula’s government is not acting according to a non-aligned guideline,

but cooperating with Western powers in several aspects, mainly with regard to opposition to counter-hegemonic governments in Latin America.

To this day, Lula has not recognized the victory of Nicolás Maduro – the legitimate and democratically elected president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. This irresponsible attitude was easily expected from a political leader on the Brazilian right wing – like the previous president, Jair Messias Bolsonaro –, but it is something really surprising for the “left”, which historically has good relations with illiberal countries.

In the same sense, Brazil and Nicaragua mutually cut diplomatic relations, expelling each other’s ambassadors. As a result, relations between Brazil and the two main counter-hegemonic countries in the Americas are deeply shaken. It is not known what Lula will do after the end of Maduro’s current term, as failure to recognize the recent victory could lead to a break in relations.

In practice, Brazil is functioning as an auxiliary to U.S. interests in South America, using the rhetoric of “democratic zeal” as an interventionist excuse to guarantee foreign interests in the region. Many supporters of President Lula are disappointed with these acts, but this was truly expected by the most qualified analysts.

Lula was never a “pro-multipolar” leader. The entire foreign policy of Lula and the Workers’ Party is based on a multilateralist worldview centered on the UN. Since the 2000s, Lula has been a leader encouraging dialogue between emerging nations, but at the same time he advocates a global consensus through the UN and other international organizations as regulators of relations between States – completely ignoring that these organizations are strongly biased and linked to a liberal ideology propagated from the western U.S.-EU axis.

..So, the same Lula who was an “outsider” in the 2000s is now showing himself to be a advocate for the “consensus”. Lula condemned the Russian operation in Ukraine – despite correctly refusing to participate in the sanctions –, which can be considered his first big mistake since the election. Lula later called Hamas’ Operation Al Aqsa Storm a “terrorist attack.” Despite taking a firm stance when criticizing Israel for the massacre in Gaza, Lula avoided going deeper into this issue, remaining inert in the face of the defense cooperation that exists between Brazil and the Zionist regime. Now, by destabilizing relations with counter-hegemonic countries in South America, Lula takes the definitive step so that there is no longer any doubt: his government is not aligned with the multipolar transition.

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/ ... true-face/

[JoeySteel]

I am reading David Rockefellers memoirs at the moment and came across this wonderful page.
-David Rockefeller, Memoirs

Turned this into a propaganda poster

Feel free to turn anything else in there into a propaganda poster or post in here and I will