The Coming Betrayal By China In Ukraine?

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The Coming Betrayal By China In Ukraine?

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China has officially taken a "neutral" position regarding Russia's special military operation from the very beginning.

Here is a timeline of what we know so far:

25 February 2022: Xi calls for Russia to negotiate with the fascists in Kiev in a telephone call with Putin. ( https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinas- ... ne-2789342 )

17 March 2022: China's ambassador to Kiev, Fan Xianrong, says: “China and Ukraine are strategic partners, and this year marks the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between our countries. China is a friendly country for the Ukrainian people. As an ambassador, I can responsibly say that China will forever be a good force for Ukraine, both economically and politically. We will always respect your state, develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians because this is the sovereign right of every nation. China will never attack Ukraine, we will help, in particular in the economic direction. We have seen how great the unity of the Ukrainian people is, and that means its strength." ( https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1255127.shtml )

20 July 2022: China's ambassador to Washington, Qin Gang, says: “So what China is calling for is immediate ceasefire, resumption of peace talks. All parties involved should be engaged, including between Russia and US and its NATO allies.” ( https://swentr.site/russia/559352-china ... ceasefire/ )

24 February 2023: The Chinese foreign ministry announces its document "China's Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukrainian Crisis" containing 12 proposals including for a ceasefire and negotiations. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s ... ian_Crisis )

29 June 2023: Opening the World Economic Forum's “Summer Davos” meeting in Tianjin, China's premier Li Qiang declares: “China wishes to work with all of you to firmly support economic globalization, firmly uphold the market economy, firmly support free trade, and steer the world economy toward a more inclusive, resilient and sustainable future.” ( https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/ ... champions/ )
9 October 2023: China's ambassador to the UN, Geng Shuang, claims that Russia's attack on the village of Groza “caused heavy civilian casualties, which China finds concerning. Protection of civilians should be a paramount priority under all circumstances.” ( http://un.china-mission.gov.cn/eng/hyyf ... 158640.htm )
  • However, according to Russia's ambassador to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, also on 9 October: “As it is known, at the time of the strike there was a funeral of a high-ranking Ukrainian nationalist. Of course, it was attended by many of his neo-Nazi accomplices. It is no coincidence that in the pictures published on social networks immediately after the strike, almost all the bodies belong to men of military age. We have seen such situations before. The Kiev regime wrung its hands over the dead as a result of strikes in hotels, hostels, cafes, shops, etc., and then a large number of obituaries of military and foreign mercenaries appeared. This is such a ‘coincidence’. We do not exclude that it will happen in Groza as well. We remind that if the Kiev regime concentrates servicemen in any place, it becomes a legitimate target for a strike, including from the point of view of international humanitarian law. But the stationing of heavy equipment and air defense systems in residential areas is the grossest violation of this law and leads to tragedies, which we have already mentioned today." ( https://tass.com/politics/1687421 )
24 May 2024: China announces a joint document on Ukraine with social democrat Lula's Brazil, calling for Russia to negotiate with the fascist puppets in Kiev. ( https://sputnikglobe.com/20240525/china ... 30484.html )

30 May 2024: In a letter to Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, the Nicaraguan foreign ministry declares: “The government of Nicaragua, committed to its policy and pursuit of peace worldwide, shares the position of the brotherly People's Republic of China on a political solution to the Ukrainian crisis and supports the consensus reached in the Joint Communiqué between China and Brazil on the issue.” ( https://sputnikglobe.com/20240531/nicar ... 13063.html )
So what are China's motivations here?

Is China preparing to use Ukraine as a bargaining chip with the US over Taipei?

Will China prioritise its long-time “peaceful coexistence” policy with US imperialism, and force Russia to compromise with NATO and the Kiev fascists?
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West is increasingly unhinged towards Russia

Either
A] the West is losing and will lose hence the bellicose statements
Or
B] Ukraine can continue this war for another decade

Ukraine State will be destroyed but in my opinion it will be done by BlackRock buying up the land whilst flooding Ukraine with immigrants whilst the war trickles on like Troubles in Ireland

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Great post

You can bet there are machinations behind the scenes. Things are far from the rosey picture of the likes of Pepe Escobars "united Brics"

If China is planning some great betrayal of Russia and US imperialism gets a second shot in the arm (first being the collapse of Soviet Union...which China participated in) we are truly in the blackest reaction
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A lot of that is just basic diplomacy between countries.
China was always angling for appearance of "neutrality" so it could broker peace between the two countries. Whilst under the table supporting Russia.

It also comes at a time when Zelensky is crying
"China is a tool in Putin's hands. China is working to prevent other countries from coming to the peace summit."
Zelensky said, adding that he really wanted to meet with the top leadership of China, but was refused.
https://en.topwar.ru/243598-instrument- ... carii.html
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy accused Beijing of working with Moscow to undermine a summit to discuss his country’s peace blueprint, in a sign of growing frustration with China’s deepening ties with Russia.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ssia-s-war

All the while US is actively preparing for war against China and has seriously ramped up military drills with Phillipines last few days
"This isn't like the Cold War with one side lined up against the other and a clear line. America is training for a war they expect to take place." Alexander Mercouris


Even if they want to sell Russia out the US is already locked in for World War before the full extent of their covid crimes and jibby jabs comes out.

China will have to, as a national security matter, support Russia's ultimate aims in Ukraine.
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Gemini wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:41 amChina will have to, as a national security matter, support Russia's ultimate aims in Ukraine.
Mao Ning: China believes that all efforts that are conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis should be supported. We have attached great importance to Switzerland’s organizing the Summit on Peace in Ukraine from the very beginning and have been in close communication with Switzerland, Ukraine and other relevant parties on this. China has repeatedly stressed that the international peace conference needs to meet the three important elements, namely, recognition from both Russia and Ukraine, equal participation of all parties, and fair discussion of all peace plans. As far as China is concerned, the meeting does not yet seem to meet these three elements and that is exactly why China would not be able to take part in the meeting. Let me stress that China’s position on the peace conference is fair and just. Our position does not target any party and certainly not this particular summit. China’s decision on participation is purely based on our assessment of the meeting itself, and we believe relevant parties can understand our position.

Whether one supports peace or not should not be judged by a particular country or on the basis of a particular meeting. China sincerely hopes that a peace conference will not turn into a platform used to create bloc confrontation. Not attending it does not mean not supporting peace. For certain countries, even if they do participate, they do not necessarily whole-heartedly want the conflict to stop. What matters is what kind of action that is being taken. What has happened shows that China has been most firmly and actively committed to promoting talks for peace. China has never sat idly by or fueled the flames, still less profiteered from the conflict. Instead, we have worked relentlessly for a ceasefire, and this has been highly commended by various parties, including Russia and Ukraine.


https://www.mfa.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665 ... 75936.html
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RedC wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:03 pm
Gemini wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:41 amChina will have to, as a national security matter, support Russia's ultimate aims in Ukraine.
Mao Ning: China believes that all efforts that are conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis should be supported. We have attached great importance to Switzerland’s organizing the Summit on Peace in Ukraine from the very beginning and have been in close communication with Switzerland, Ukraine and other relevant parties on this. China has repeatedly stressed that the international peace conference needs to meet the three important elements, namely, recognition from both Russia and Ukraine, equal participation of all parties, and fair discussion of all peace plans. As far as China is concerned, the meeting does not yet seem to meet these three elements and that is exactly why China would not be able to take part in the meeting. Let me stress that China’s position on the peace conference is fair and just. Our position does not target any party and certainly not this particular summit. China’s decision on participation is purely based on our assessment of the meeting itself, and we believe relevant parties can understand our position.

Whether one supports peace or not should not be judged by a particular country or on the basis of a particular meeting. China sincerely hopes that a peace conference will not turn into a platform used to create bloc confrontation. Not attending it does not mean not supporting peace. For certain countries, even if they do participate, they do not necessarily whole-heartedly want the conflict to stop. What matters is what kind of action that is being taken. What has happened shows that China has been most firmly and actively committed to promoting talks for peace. China has never sat idly by or fueled the flames, still less profiteered from the conflict. Instead, we have worked relentlessly for a ceasefire, and this has been highly commended by various parties, including Russia and Ukraine.


https://www.mfa.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665 ... 75936.html
This is answer to a question by a CCTV reporter who accuses the PRC government that China not attenting the Swiss peace summit is standing side of China.
CCTV: The Chinese side said publicly last week that it will not attend the Summit on Peace in Ukraine organized by Switzerland. Does this mean China does not support Switzerland and Ukraine in holding this summit? Some believe that not attending the summit means not supporting peace and standing on the side of Russia in opposition to Ukraine. What is China’s comment on this?
So China government response is just diplomat speak "blah blah we are neutral and want peace in Ukraine".
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Gemini wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 11:40 amSo China government response is just diplomat speak "blah blah we are neutral and want peace in Ukraine".
By teaming up with the social democrat Lula who has condemned the special military operation...
China believes that the world now needs to make more objective, balanced, positive and constructive voices on the Ukraine crisis, Wang noted, adding that to this end, China and Brazil recently jointly issued the "Common Understandings Between China and Brazil on Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis."

In just one week, 45 countries from five continents have responded positively to the "six common understandings" in different ways, of which 26 countries have confirmed their accession or are seriously studying the way of accession. Russia and Ukraine also affirmed most of the contents of these six common understandings, Wang added.

This once again illustrates that these six common understandings meet the common expectations of the majority of countries. China believes that the more countries that support these six common understandings, the closer the day of a truly peaceful summit will be, and the brighter the prospects for peace will become, Wang said.
https://english.news.cn/20240604/347096 ... cc9/c.html
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I agree with Red C tbh
Chinese foreign policy has always been completely unprincipled.
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